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Rose-B
#21 Posted : Sunday, July 11, 2010 10:53:28 PM Quote
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Hello Lynn

So pleased to hear you back with us, so sorry you were messed about. Lost notes - god awful.
why is every one so incompetant these days ?

Glad you written to PALS. I have one of my closest friends that works in that
department. Good luck

Rose
Alice_S
#22 Posted : Sunday, July 11, 2010 11:08:38 PM Quote
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I am sorry you had such a horrid experience with your recent service appointments. At the risk of being lynched Unsure , may I give you a possible version of the other side of the story? Just really so that you might see that it is not people but the system that may be at fault.

Your previous consultant may have had health or other problems, which is may be why 2 clinics ended up being cancelled in a row. Most NHS clinicians would try to avoid cancelling an appointment for a patient on two consecutive occasions. And it would certainly not be in your consultants power to ensure that there are appointments available for the following week. This is to do with resources rather than individual neglect.

Similarly, I know that in an ideal world, patients with chronic conditions would be informed of a change in consultant. But the NHS does not have the resources to write to everyone to inform them of that. There may, of course be exceptions but I have never known it happen.

If it was her first clinic, your new consultant would not have known any of the patients, and she would have run late trying to catch up with reading notes, building a rapport with patients and ensuring that she's not missing anything. Hence, her stating the obvious e.g. the nurse, etc. to ensure that the system is running well. A good clinician would do that. But the NHS system does not, like in the private system, allow new consultants the luxury of making longer appointments the first time they take over the running of an outpatient clinic.

The operational responsibility for finding clinical notes is not hers but the admin staff that serve the clinic. It is possible that your old consultant had a non-standard way of transferring notes between the clinic and his/her medical secretary and possibly even the Medical Records Department. A new consultant, particularly if they have a new secretary at the same time, may not know about it. Obvious teething troubles you might say, but you would be surprised at the administrative glitches of this type that occur in any large organisation. If she is good, she will have raised her concerns about the missing notes and in future it will be less likely to happen.

As for the advice about an anti-TNF and MTX, if she is a newly qualified consultant, she would be up to date with the scientific literature i.e. the evidence base for medical treatments, without necessarily having accumulated the experience of consultants who have been using these drugs since they were released. I have read a lot of the original scientific literature on anti-TNF and all the drug trials I have come across for etanercept, for example, have shown that it doesn't work as well without methotrexate. Not that it doesn't work without methotrexate but that it works better if given with methotrexate.

Finally, re. discussion about coming off and on anti-TNFs, I totally agree with you but this is something she may have got from local PCT managers. As you probably know, there is post code lottery in the country about how quickly, and for how long it seems, people get on to anti-TNFs.

And finally, finally, I have just realised I have been able to type this extremely long post and that my hands must be getting better because they only ache a little and it hasn't built up.

Sorry about the long post.

Alice

PS So, I would say, give her the benefit of the doubt and see how you get on.




dorat
#23 Posted : Sunday, July 11, 2010 11:12:04 PM Quote
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Sorry Alice, but all that doesn't help Lyn, who wasted all that time at the clinic and is threatened with having to stop the drugs that are helping her live her life.

Doreen xx
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#24 Posted : Monday, July 12, 2010 2:07:16 PM Quote
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Hi Lyn,

Sorry I've not been around, I've been ill with all sorts and had quite a few stints in hospital. However, I did hear from Jean that you are going through the wars at the moment and are also very unwell. Having worked alongside the NHS for many years as a social worker, I understand where Alice_S is coming from, but also agree with Doreen that you should not be left in limbo.

I am about to go back on Enbrel next week, and as many of you know, I cannot take MTX or Sulph and will therefore be taking an Anti-tnf on it's own, so don't quite understand where the consultant is coming from. The drugs we have to take to control RA suppresses the immune system, as does uncontrolled RA, and exposes us to a whole host of opportunistic infections, such as: urinary track infections, E-Coli, kidney, shingles and a whole lot more. With this in mind, as far as offering appointments are concerned, I think people suffering with long-term chronic illnesses, who are taking highly toxic and risky drugs to control the illness, should be followed up in clinic at least every 3 months, unless their condition is stable, or gone into remission.

Lyn, glad to see you've got the energy and determination not to let the system get you down, but understand how frustrated you must be feeling; keep writing the letters as it is the only way the system will change.

I've been meaning to get in touch with you since Leicester, but with the way things have been I have not been on the forum much of late. Jean has my e-mail address and home no, and if you feel up to it, please do contact me.

much love,

Barbara
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jeanb
#25 Posted : Monday, July 12, 2010 2:59:54 PM Quote
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I have to say I agree with Doreen. Blackpool Vic is possibly one of the worst hospitals in the country - friends of mine (several of them) could write a book about the general inefficiency, incompetence and often downright rudeness of some of the staff.

An apology for the long wait should most certainly have been forthcoming - manners cost nothing.
Damned76
#26 Posted : Monday, July 12, 2010 3:39:48 PM Quote
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Oh dear Lyn - waiting all this time to be left with more questions than answers. After you living with this wretched disease for so many years - it's just not good enough. Am thinkin of you and hoping your GP is supportive.

Julie
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#27 Posted : Monday, July 12, 2010 4:53:08 PM Quote
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Hi Lyn hope you can get some answers soon , thinking of you ,

Sophie x
jenni_b
#28 Posted : Wednesday, July 14, 2010 11:13:35 AM Quote
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well the crap ever floweth on the NHS...

I get so fed up with it all I cant be bothered to complain anymore, they just white wash things. Having said that my recent admission was much better than my last one so some of it got listened to.

I am with Jo on the Enbrel without MTX. I took it that way for a long time and am now on Cimzia without the MTX too. The MTX never did do me any good- gave me problems instead.

I think you need to sit with the GP and ask them to arrange a proper case review.
More stress I know but you do need to get the treatment sorted even if you cannot manage the complaint as well.

Jenni
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